freepalestinefromhamas:
head-full-of-things:
read-marx-and-lenin:
bloglikeanegyptian:
lol i see tumblr’s loftiest liberal zionists are still continuing to defer to “where will israelis go” as a reason to shake their heads about the “difficulty” of palestinian liberation and the lack of realism from online leftists without ever once addressing the current genocide that is keeping israelis in their place. keep it up guys eventually you will intellectualize your way out of the reality that your land is steeped with blood and that your priority will always be the people making it bleed and not the people bleeding
“Where will Israelis go?” well if we’re assuming they’ve accepted Palestinian demands and are no longer trying to kill and displace them then they could just stay? If you think Israelis will all have to up and leave as a result of Palestinian liberation then you believe one of two racist lies, that there’s “not enough room” for both Israelis and Palestinians, or that Palestinians are all just bloodthirsty killers who will slaughter Israelis no matter what.
If you genuinely believe that Palestinians and Israelis can live side by side as equals, then “where will the Israelis go” would never be a question you would ask.
Alright couple of things:
1) You are letting Israelis stay but that’s not everyone’s opinion. “where will Israelis go” is a response to the people who say “just go back to Europe lol”
2) After 80 years of conflict it won’t be safe for Israelis to live under Palestenian rule. If you think they’ll just stop the violence you don’t know what you’re talking about. From those who still want all the Jews gone from the country to those who will be after revenge. Tell me what is so horrible about the idea that Israeli majority parts will stay under Israeli rule and Palestinian majority parts under Palestinian rule? The two states solution is right there.
It wasn’t safe for Jews there even before the 80 years of conflict, when the British were in power and the Jews weren’t.
The 1947 UN partition plan was rejected by the Palestinian Arabs. Israel declared their independence from an underground bunker on Because they knew as soon as it was announced, the Palestinians and the entire Arab would would declare war on Israel. And that’s exactly what happened. War declared because Israel demanded to say “I exist.” Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan, and Iraq invaded Israel and joined up with local Palestinian militias.
Sometimes you declare war and lose very badly.
The war that ensued in 1948, the Palestinians refer to it as the Nabka. They leave out that it was their party which declared the war on the Jews. From there on the resentment only grows and deepens.
But the reality is some of these folks in the Arab world just never wanted to live next to Jews in the first place. Which is the experience Jews in the entire MENA had. Which is why they pretty much all went to Israel once it established as a Jewish State.
None of those other places had 80 years of Israeli oppression and they still drove the Jews out.
Not all Arabs hate the Jews, but, enough do to matter.
Look the whole Avatar: TLA narrative that everyone was just chilling in Palestine until the Jewish Fire Nation attacked and Did The Nabka…is some pretty major league historical revisionism.
If someone starts the story of the I/P conflict with the Nabka, they are trying to sell you something by lies of omission about the violence perpetrated on the growing Jewish refugee population by the local Palestinian Arabs before 1948.
So yeah. Not really another place for these 7 million Jews to go. America takes 10-20 something thousand refugees in, in a year. And this war is bringing all the antisemites out of the woodwork here and showing us that actually we are not as safe as we thought we were in America.
@read-marx-and-lenin those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.
i am always impressed by the extent of israeli historical revisionism, but i find nothing at all funnier in this than “the British were in power and the Jews weren’t.”
since you’re so offended by those who start history in 1948, let’s start earlier than that!
let’s start in 1912. the british gave you all your power. it was the british who declared that 6% of jewish immigrants deserved a national homeland in palestine at the cost of the 94% native arab population with the balfour declaration. zionist revisionism will have you believe that zionists were brave anticolonialist fighters but the zionist project is nothing without britain. britain armed violent jewish militias who took over land and terrorized the native arab population.
(the hundred years war on palestine—rashid khalidi)
since you talked about the arab revolt as though it was summarily caused by arab hatred of jews and not as resistance to both british colonial domination and zionist land expansion, let’s elaborate further on it:
all of your historical revisionism leaves out your violence. you talk about war and remembering what happened before 1948. let’s talk about what happened before 1948:
(the ethnic cleansing of palestine—ilan pappe)
you guys can try your best to, but zionism will always be a western colonial project. the jewish homeland was impossible without the support of the british, and when it eventually turned against the british and the british in turn handed their issue of palestine, it was the UN—funded by the united states—which took up the mantle instead. and so zionism would be impossible now without the support of the united states. thats what keeps it at its core a colonial project, a military outpost of western and imperial interests that happens to coincide with the ideology of jewish nationalism.
(the hundred years war on palestine—rashid khalidi)
“demand to say "i exist?”“ you never demanded. palestinians never agreed to the partition plan. the arabs did not declare war; the un declared war on them. the parition plan included land palestinians were already living on, that was rightfully owned by them, and land that zionists wanted to expel them from. from the very beginning you knew that arabs would have to be violently subdued, and you accepted this cost.
but don’t take my words for it—david ben gurion said it himself:
yes, it is true before 1948 there was trouble. however you fail to mention the trouble was caused by british colonialism, zionist aspirations to displace the palestinians, and land theft. it was not caused by an inherent arab hatred of jews, and how deeply racist it is to imply it. many arab and jewish communities were still co-existing right until the nakba.
now let’s talk about post-1948. i will not talk about the nakba itself, which caused an estimated 750,000 palestinians to flee and massacred thousands and then build villages atop their mass graves. no. lets not talk about the violence upon which israel was established.
you use an "inherent arab hatred of jews” as a reason to justify israel’s need to genocide palestinians, and you use the immigration of arab jews to israel, but palestinians are not responsible for that just as they were not responsible for the european anti-semitism nor the holocaust that increased jewish immigration to palestine.
why don’t you talk of the collusion between zionist leaders and anti-semitic arab and european leaders who were more than happy to drive jewish ppl from their homes? israel requires jewish people abroad to feel unsafe to fuel its demographic majority. it funded this and welcomed it.
now the funniest thing is despite the violent ethnic cleansing and all of the palestinian blood you have spilled, despite the settler colonialism and the fact that the land is palestinian land, it is palestinians who have accepted compromise after compromise and it is israeli that has illegally violated it every single time. zionists will tell you palestinians never accepted a two-state solution—they did. even hamas accepted the 1967 borders. israeli presence in the west bank is illegal and the israeli blockade on gaza is illegal. let’s talk about how israel implented a two-state solution:
Toufic Hadad—Israel’s Crisis and Palestine’s Resistance
you ask why a two-state solution isn’t possible. it’s because of israel’s refusal to be held accountable by international law. when you say you want a two-state solution, what you really mean is you want the apartheid state to continue.
even before this genocide, toufic hadad also saw exactly what you say above—your complete inability to coexist among palestinians due to virulent racism and entitlement:
now you see how silly your accusations of ‘anti-semitism by palestinians’ is in the face of what you are perpetuating. no wonder you can only think in terms of ethnic separation and supremacy maintained through violence. it is all you know and all you can imagine.
now the worst thing about this—the very very worst thing about this—is that nothing you said qualifies a genocide. all it does is tell me you don’t care about the current genocide. you will keep your zionist project even if four thousand children have to die for it. you do not value palestinian life, never have and never will.
anyway im tired of you lying motherfuckers. the audacity to talk about zionist safety as you murder children in their thousands. the shamelessness to claim victimhood.
i can tell you that palestinians have said repeatedly that whoever wants to stay in a liberated palestine can stay
but you, personally, can go to hell.
